Discussion:
Omnes Te Moriturum Amant
Cindy Smith
2010-04-13 15:16:45 UTC
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Someone asked folks on another list to translate this sentence:
Omnes te moriturum amant. I said that morior mori mortuus -a -um sum
moriturus -a -um sum is a deponent, and moriturum is a future, so my
translation is: "Everyone loves you when you are about to die."
Apparently, this sign was on a doctor's door in the series "House."
Is my translation accurate?

Yours,

Cindy Smith
***@dragon.com

Me transmitte sursum, Caledoni!
Owen Cramer
2010-04-13 17:00:07 UTC
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Yes!

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Someone asked folks on another list to translate this sentence:
Omnes te moriturum amant. I said that morior mori mortuus -a -um sum
moriturus -a -um sum is a deponent, and moriturum is a future, so my
translation is: "Everyone loves you when you are about to die."
Apparently, this sign was on a doctor's door in the series "House."
Is my translation accurate?

Yours,

Cindy Smith
***@dragon.com

Me transmitte sursum, Caledoni!
n***@VERIZON.NET
2010-04-13 19:06:06 UTC
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Original Message:
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From: Cindy Smith ***@ROMANCATHOLIC.ORG
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:16:45 -0400
To: CLASSICS-***@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: [CLASSICS-L] Omnes Te Moriturum Amant


>Someone asked folks on another list to translate this sentence:
Omnes te moriturum amant. I said that morior mori mortuus -a -um sum
moriturus -a -um sum is a deponent, and moriturum is a future, so my
translation is: "Everyone loves you when you are about to die."
Apparently, this sign was on a doctor's door in the series "House."
Is my translation accurate?<<

That's right. Deponents still have present active and future active
participial forms, as here. Your translation is fine. I used to write on
exams in highs school and college A.M.M.T.S., Ave, magister, moriturus te
saluto... :)

N.E. Barry Hofstetter
Classics @ The American Academy
http://www.theamericanacademy.net

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Terrence Lockyer
2010-04-15 03:00:33 UTC
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On this, see also the blog post at

http://thecampvs.com/?p=1815


Terrence Lockyer
Johannesburg, South Africa
Dr. Jan P. Stronk
2010-06-07 16:47:02 UTC
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Perhaps a bit TAN:
Today the names of the laureates of the most important Dutch award for scientific research, the Spinoza award, for 2010 have been announced. Of the four awards, each € 2.5 million -to be used for a specific project-, one has been awarded to Prof. Ineke Sluiter, professor of Ancient Greek at Leiden University, specialist in ancient linguistic thought and cultural identity. It is for the first time in several years that a scholar not working in one of the (typical) beta-sciences has been honoured with this prize.

Dr. Jan P. Stronk
Universiteit van Amsterdam, Oude Geschiedenis
E: ***@planet.nl or ***@uva.nl
Laval Hunsucker
2010-06-07 20:10:11 UTC
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> It is for the first time in several years that a scholar
> not working in one of the (typical) beta-sciences has
> been honoured with this prize.

I'm not sure what "typical" is supposed to mean here,
but this is in any event ( fortunately ) not entirely the
case. This year, besides Sluiter, one of the winners is
a social psychologist.Two years ago one of the winners
was a prof. of comparative literature / cultural history.
In 2007 there was an archaeologist as well as a legal
scholar.

There are three to four winners per year. In the first
year ( 1995 ), one of them was a specialist in mediaeval
literature and cultural history. There have also been
winners in general linguistics ( twice ), psycholinguistics,
economic and social history, economics (twice), logic,
and education.

There *have* been eleven winners in physics, I believe,
and that does seem perhaps too much of a good thing
( 19% ).

If any area is clearly underrepresented, it's the social
sciences. The natural ( beta ) sciences have, it is true,
always been predominant ( 76% in total ).


- Laval Hunsucker
Breukelen, Nederland




----- Original Message ----
From: Dr. Jan P. Stronk <***@PLANET.NL>
To: CLASSICS-***@LSV.UKY.EDU
Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 6:47:02 PM
Subject: [CLASSICS-L] Spinoza-award

Perhaps a bit TAN:
Today the names of the laureates of the most important Dutch award for scientific research, the Spinoza award, for 2010 have been announced. Of the four awards, each € 2.5 million -to be used for a specific project-, one has been awarded to Prof. Ineke Sluiter, professor of Ancient Greek at Leiden University, specialist in ancient linguistic thought and cultural identity. It is for the first time in several years that a scholar not working in one of the (typical) beta-sciences has been honoured with this prize.

Dr. Jan P. Stronk
Universiteit van Amsterdam, Oude Geschiedenis
E: ***@planet.nl or ***@uva.nl
Dr. Richard Gilder Iii
2010-06-07 16:52:20 UTC
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This to me is hardly TAN, considering we had a discussion a couple months back about how working in Classics can prepare one for the sciences. This about proves that it does. Thanks for the post and congratulations to Ineke
Sluiter. What is Prof. Sluiter's project? I'd like to hear more.

drg

------Original Message------
From: Dr. Jan P. Stronk
Sender: Classical Greek and Latin Discussion Group
To: CLASSICS-***@LSV.UKY.EDU
ReplyTo: Classical Greek and Latin Discussion Group
Subject: [CLASSICS-L] Spinoza-award
Sent: Jun 7, 2010 12:47 PM

Perhaps a bit TAN:
Today the names of the laureates of the most important Dutch award for scientific research, the Spinoza award, for 2010 have been announced. Of the four awards, each € 2.5 million -to be used for a specific project-, one has been awarded to Prof. Ineke Sluiter, professor of Ancient Greek at Leiden University, specialist in ancient linguistic thought and cultural identity. It is for the first time in several years that a scholar not working in one of the (typical) beta-sciences has been honoured with this prize.

Dr. Jan P. Stronk
Universiteit van Amsterdam, Oude Geschiedenis
E: ***@planet.nl or j.p.stronk
Curtis Dozier
2010-06-07 18:44:58 UTC
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The "Jury Report" at http://www.nwo.nl/nwohome.nsf/pages/NWOP_5VNCW6
is in Dutch, but Prof. Sluiter's homepage (http://www.hum.leiden.edu/icd/organisation/members/sluiteri.html
) lists the following: "NWO project The Limits of Language: a
research project on the earliest Greek ideas on language, in the
presocratic philosophers, the corpus hippocraticum, ancient drama.
Culminating in a new commentary with introductory essays on Plato's
Cratylus"

Perhaps others who can read Dutch can tell us more.

cd

On Jun 7, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Dr. Richard Gilder Iii wrote:

> This to me is hardly TAN, considering we had a discussion a couple
> months back about how working in Classics can prepare one for the
> sciences. This about proves that it does. Thanks for the post and
> congratulations to Ineke
> Sluiter. What is Prof. Sluiter's project? I'd like to hear more.
>
> drg
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dr. Jan P. Stronk
> Sender: Classical Greek and Latin Discussion Group
> To: CLASSICS-***@LSV.UKY.EDU
> ReplyTo: Classical Greek and Latin Discussion Group
> Subject: [CLASSICS-L] Spinoza-award
> Sent: Jun 7, 2010 12:47 PM
>
> Perhaps a bit TAN:
> Today the names of the laureates of the most important Dutch award
> for scientific research, the Spinoza award, for 2010 have been
> announced. Of the four awards, each € 2.5 million -to be used for a
> specific project-, one has been awarded to Prof. Ineke Sluiter,
> professor of Ancient Greek at Leiden University, specialist in
> ancient linguistic thought and cultural identity. It is for the
> first time in several years that a scholar not working in one of the
> (typical) beta-sciences has been honoured with this prize.
>
> Dr. Jan P. Stronk
> Universiteit van Amsterdam, Oude Geschiedenis
> E: ***@planet.nl or ***@uva.nl
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
Ralph Hancock
2010-06-07 19:14:43 UTC
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Curtis Dozier wrote:

> The "Jury Report" at http://www.nwo.nl/nwohome.nsf/pages/NWOP_5VNCW6 is in
> Dutch ...
> Perhaps others who can read Dutch can tell us more.

Here is a quick translation done with Google and minimally cleaned up.
Accuracy not guaranteed.

RH

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Prof. Dr. I. (Ineke) Sluiter, Professor of Greek Language and
Literature at Leiden University.

Ineke Sluiter (Amsterdam, November 13, 1959) is a classicist. She
operates at the intersection of linguistics and cultural history. She
does research on ancient ideas about language and their social impact,
for example in education practice. She is a humanities scholar par
excellence. She compares the values of antiquity with those of today.
Leading the field in its international workshops jointly with the
University of Pennsylvania, the interdisciplinary workshop will
examine the discourse on values in antiquity, ranging from male
courage to wickedness. It also looks at the role of language in
shaping social identity.

Sluiter is chairman of the Division for Humanities Board and
Scientific Director of OIKOS, the national research school of
classicists. She wrote with Rita Copeland (University of Pennsylvania)
'Medieval Grammar and Rhetoric’. That's the equivalent of a thousand
pages on linguistics and literary theory in the period between 300 and
1475. Sluiter is leading a team of researchers who are making a new
Greek-Dutch dictionary. She is a trigger for young talent.

Sluiter should be at ease beyond the boundaries of her field. She is
co-organizer of a symposium on literature and evolutionary theory,
Studium Generale. She gives lectures and has produced audio books on
Socrates, the Iliad and the Odyssey and Oedipus. She gave a famous
foundation day speech on the binding and oppressive power of language,
and publishes on ancient and modern ideas about freedom of expression.

Short CV
Ineke Sluiter studied Greek and Latin Languages and Culture at the
Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam. She graduated cum laude in 1990 at
the VU. From 1984 to1997 she was a researcher and lecturer at the VU.
She has also spent several years on the KNAW Academy Project. Since
1998, Sluiter has been a professor at Leiden University.

Sluiter did research and taught at institutions including Berlin,
Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Pennsylvania, New York and Princeton; also
Leiden, Nijmegen, Groningen and Amsterdam. In 2001 she received the
award for best teacher from Leiden students.

Foreign experts
Foreign experts call Sluiter a leader in the study of ancient grammar.
They praise her talent in a small, dry and technical field, as
linguistics extends from the Greeks to other fields. The experts also
found Sluiter an international bridge builder. She looks beyond her
own field and allows both to connect to other humanities and with
current debates in society.

Contact
Hilje Papma (press officer Leiden University)
Telephone: 071 527 3282 and 06,113,515 in 1962
E-mail: ***@leidenuniv.nl
Internet 1: http://leidsewetenschappers.leidenuniv.nl/show.php3?medewerker_id=63
Internet 2: http://www.hum.leiden.edu/icd/organisation/members/sluiteri.html
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